Automatic LED Emergency Light-Modified Version
Hi All Readers of CircuitsToday,
As there is serious discussions going on about our previous Automatic LED Emergency Light Circuit using LM 317, Mr.Seetharaman has come up with a modified version of the same which answers many of the doubts raised in our Comments section.
Note: Mr.Seetharaman has developed a new version of Automatic LED emergency light. This one is more simple,more efficient and uses minimum components. Take a look: Simple Emergency Lamp Circuit
Here follows Seetharaman’s Description about the Modified Automatic LED Emergency Light using LM 317.
Dear John
Since there were lots of doubts from our readers on the LED emergency light, I have written a detailed letter to two of our readers. Of course few modifications are required, which I have indicated on the drawings and on calculations how I arrived at it. I thought of enclosing it to you so that it can be kept in some library of our site for any ones reference. For each circuit we can have a similar detailed theory, may not be with all calculation, just general operation theory of each part of the circuit. You may think of it. As a first feed back I am sending this. I have a feeling that most of the people would have made the mistake in base emitter of BD140, the lead out are against normal convention.
To understand the above circuit in a better way, it can be divided into two parts.
1. LED lamp circuit
2. The Battery charger circuit
LED Lamp circuit
1. All are white hi bright LEDs rated for 3Volt @ 25mA
2. The total current requirement is 12 X 25 = 300mA
3. This current has to flow through T2 – BD140 PNP transistor
4. The minimum current gain (hfe) of this transistor @ 500mA is 50
5. Hence the base current Ib requirement is Ic / hfe, 300 / 50 = 6mA
6. Base emitter drop of T2 at 500mA is 0.77 volt
7. With the fully charged battery at 6.9volt terminal voltage (for cycle operation use) the voltage available across the new bias resistance is (6.9 – 0.77)
8. Hence the bias resistance is = 6.13 / 6 = 1000ohms
9. As the battery drains the final terminal voltage will be 5.4volt
10. The bias resistance will be (5.4 – 0.77) / 6 = 770 ohms Hence a 680 ohms was preferred for bias resistance with drained battery also it will give enough brightness.
11. The very important information about BD140 is, as you view the pins, metal portion of the transistor facing down left is emitter centre collector and right is base. Most of the constructors make this mistake, relying on the convention that left base and right emitter. If you have made this mistake please correct it.
Once this portion is checked for reliable operation we will proceed to charger portion.
The Battery charger circuit
1. The battery requires a full terminal voltage of 6.9V at this point charger should cut off.
2. That is the voltage across the chain ZD1, R2 and T1 be should be 6.9 volt
3. T1 be voltage of 0.7 volt plus drop across R2 and zener voltage should be 6.9V
4. T1 be current = Ic / hfe
5. Ic is 1.25 / 180 = 7mA
6. Ibe = Ic / hfe of T1 i.e = 7 / 70 = 100uA
7. Drop across R2 =1.2 X .1 mA = 0.12volt
8. Hence Zener voltage = 6.9 – (0.7 + 0.12) = 6.08 the near by preferred zener voltage is 6.2 volt
9. Say the battery voltage at full charge will be 7 volt with 6.2 volt zener diode
10. To calculate R16 value for charging at 1 /10 th of the rated current of the battery 4.5AH / 10 = 450mAH
11. Transformer 9volt AC the voltage across C1 will be 9 X 1.414 = 12.6 volt
12. The drop across LM317 at 450mA current for good regulation is 3volt
13. The drop across protective diode D5 is 0.7 volt.
14. The voltage available at cathode of D5 is 12.6 – (3+0.7) = 8.9volt
15. The battery after fair discharge will be at 6 volt
16. Hence R16 = (8.9 – 7) / 0.45 = 6 ohms
17. The nearby standard value for operation is 5 ohms.
18. At the end point of battery 5.4 volt the maximum charging current can be of (8.9 – 5.4) / 5 = 0.7 amps well within the higher charging limit of the battery.
19. With this circuit over night the battery will get charged fully.
20. Over charging is taken care and protected by T1
Hope with the above guide line you can make your light work successfully.
More Modification!!!
Automatic LED Emergency Light with Under Voltage Cut Off Protection:
Dear Readers,
Mr. Seetharaman has further modified this LED Emergency Light with an under voltage cut-off protection to protect battery from deep discharge. Once the battery terminal voltage falls below 5.7 volts the LEDs will be switched off. Take a look at the modified circuit shown below.
To understand the above circuit in a better way, it can be divided into two parts.
-
- LED lamp circuit
- The Battery charger circuit
LED Lamp circuit
-
- All are white hi bright LEDs rated for 3Volt @ 25mA
- The total current requirement is 12 X 25 = 300mA
- This current has to flow through T2 – BD140 PNP transistor
- The minimum current gain (hfe) of this transistor @ 500mA is 50
- Hence the base current Ib requirement is Ic / hfe, 300 / 50 = 6mA
- Base emitter drop of T2 at 500mA is 0.77 volt
- With the fully charged battery at 6.9volt terminal voltage (for cycle operation use) the voltage available across the new bias resistance is (6.9 – 0.77)
- Hence the bias resistance is = 6.13 / 6 = 1000ohms
- As the battery drains the final terminal voltage will be 5.4volt
- The bias resistance will be (5.4 – 0.77) / 6 = 770 ohms Hence a 680 ohms was preferred for bias resistance with drained battery also it will give enough brightness.
- The very important information about BD140 is, as you view the pins, metal portion of the transistor facing down left is emitter centre collector and right is base. Most of the constructors make this mistake, relying on the convention that left base and right emitter. If you have made this mistake please correct it.
- Once this portion is checked for reliable operation we will proceed to charger portion.
- The battery requires a full terminal voltage of 6.9V at this point charger should cut off.
- That is the voltage across the chain ZD1, R2 and T1 be should be 6.9 volt
- T1 be voltage of 0.7 volt plus drop across R2 and zener voltage should be 6.9V
- T1 be current = Ic / hfe
- Ic is 1.25 / 180 = 7mA
- Ibe = Ic / hfe of T1 i.e = 7 / 70 = 100uA
- Drop across R2 =1.2 X .1 mA = 0.12volt
- Hence Zener voltage = 6.9 – (0.7 + 0.12) = 6.08 the near by preferred zener voltage is 6.2 volt
- Say the battery voltage at full charge will be 7 volt with 6.2 volt zener diode
- To calculate R16 value for charging at 1 /10 th of the rated current of the battery 4.5AH / 10 = 450mAH
- Transformer 9volt AC the voltage across C1 will be 9 X 1.414 = 12.6 volt
- The drop across LM317 at 450mA current for good regulation is 3volt
- The drop across protective diode D5 is 0.7 volt.
- The voltage available at cathode of D5 is 12.6 – (3+0.7) = 8.9volt
- The battery after fair discharge will be at 6 volt
- Hence R16 = (8.9 – 7) / 0.45 = 6 ohms
- The nearby standard value for operation is 5 ohms.
- At the end point of battery 5.4 volt the maximum charging current can be of (8.9 – 5.4) / 5 = 0.7 amps well within the higher charging limit of the battery.
- With this circuit over night the battery will get charged fully.
- Over charging is taken care and protected by T1
Hope with the above guide line you can make your light work successfully.
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Good day Mr. Seetharaman. Can you mail me the solution for your computations in the LED Lamp Circuit and Battery Charger Circuit? We made this really nice circuit as our project, and we need to justify every values measured in it. I have done some computations but I came up with different values with the one you did.
I send my warmest gratitude and appreciation in advance for your candid response.
hi sir!i am a second year engineering student.i am gonna do a mini project on the automatic low power emergency light.sir,please tell me the operation of the circuit of automatic low power modified emergency light.i am not getting a clear picture of the working.
Hii SIR, I want to know that in this circuit the led’s will on automatically in the power cut off ? Please please reply sharp.
Hi Sir! Good day! I have a problem on connecting another bd140.. All leds including the indicator turns on while the power supply is on.
hi sir. am i gonna change any material if i use 5k potentiometer and 230v to 0-9 v 750 ma transformer? thanks.
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and also a 6.8 volt zener diode can be used or not.
Sir I want to ask that can I use 9V 250mA transformer because I have one of it and the casing in which I am making this light has also do not have much enough space to adjust a 500mA transformer so what should I do to make the circuit compatible with 250mA transformer.
Nice project! what changes needed to be done to this modified version of the emergency light, to control the brightness of the LEDs, to conserve battery power and prolong the duration of the backup.
Thanks for the reply!
Hi it should be atleast 2 watts.
Hi Sir, how many watts is that 4.7 ohm resistor?
Hi Naveed the PCB shown in the following project is for fully modified Automatic emergency light you can use the PCBs the layout and components are shown,
http://www.circuitstoday.com/automatic-led-emergency-light#simple
pcb required of this led emergency automatic schematic updated
can you send me the pcb of led emergency light schemati
waiting
Hi Gurdeep The LED will glow when ever the battery is getting charged. once battery if fully charged it will go off.
when will the led nearer to transistor BC548 will glow.
Hi Gurdeep thanks for your feedback. this will give a positive approach and confidence for the project builders.
It is working perfectly.
Hi Nitin it is for setting the output voltage to 7.0volt by disconnecting the battery, hence the maximum output voltage is limited to safe value.
one more question, what is working of varible resistance in this ckt?
ok sir thank u.
Hi Nitin if you open circuit the zener only the stray and PCB leakages will affect but if it is in circuit it should operate normally. Have you checked R15 value it should be reduced to 330 ohms as I have explained earlier for LEDs to go off when mains is available. Kindly check your assembly step by step, there may be some mistakes, the above circuit is a proven circuit.
sir,
i need white led based brightest
emergency light use with 12v
7Ah battery and need back up
for minimum 8 hours.which one
is better constant current driver
or pulse boost led driver. please
suggest me some circuits.
actually i had completed this ckt, but these problems(which i had stated as comments) are happening, please sir give solutions if any.
Thanking you.
so, if this is happening then under voltage protection ckt will not work, because during under voltage zener will not pass any current (open), but due to stray fields(as u said) leds will remain on, so is there any permanent solution?
Hi Nitin since T2 is a PNP transistor its base bias will from negative that is supplied by T3. (you may call it as return path of bias- T2 emitter base current flows through R17 T3 to negative.
Check by shorting base emitter leads of T3 (by a screwdriver tip)light should go off, indicating no bias is available for T2. By opening Zener ZD2 the base of T3 is floating stray field / print leakage can pass some current to T3 which in turn can bias T2 for glowing LEDs.
when i remove zener(open ckt), used in under protection ckt, then also leds remains on through battery, why?
when i remove zener used in under protection ckt, then also leds remains on through battery, why?
in ckt when transistor T3 is ON, then according to me current through R17 will be flowing away from base of T2 towards the negative terminal of battery through collector of T3, so potential across R17 will be such that it will be positive (bcoz of flow of current from right to left through R17) at base of T2 , so how will T2 (PNP) get turned ON?
pls reply
sir,
i need white led based brightest emergency light use with 12v 7Ah battery and need back up for minimum 8 hours.which one is better constant current driver or pulse boost led driver. please suggest me some circuits.
Hi Dap This is due to the gain of transistor BD140 you may reduce the value of R15 to 330 ohms to solve the problem, this I have explained in my earlier comment also.
Sir, I have tried the modified circuit, my problem is the LEDs turn on while it is connected to mains. What do you think is wrong with the circuit Sir? When I tried to disconnect the bc548, r18 and zd2, it worked.
Good day Sir! Can you please explain the current flow from input to output in detail? From the transformer to led. Hope you’ll reply. Thanks in advance
Hi Ajitkumar remove T1 and check whether it is raising. if ok then the zener diode is defective. if no check the pot value and R1 value
Hi chandru disconnect the power plug and use the on off switch provided to operate the light as a normal light
Sir,i saw your automatic low power emergency light circuit.It is automatically ON and OFF.But i want to ON and OFF it manually. What can i do?
Hello Sir,
LM317 Output volt (without connect battery)did not increasing maximum 6.6v. i will adjust vr1 4.7k, but volt adjusted maximum is 6.6v only. pls tell me solution of this problem.
The PCB design is available with all modification in the following automatic emergency light simple model project
http://www.circuitstoday.com/automatic-led-emergency-light#simple
Hi! Sir,
please send me the PCB layout art work for Automatic LED Emergency Light-Modified Version with low battery automatic cut-off system.
Regards.
ajeet kumar
ajeet16@rediffmail.com
Hi Dojo for a 12 volt battery you require 13.8 volt cycle use, 14.4 volt for storage use and 15.2 volt for boost charging (to activate the battery). For 14.4 volts you can use one 12 volt zener with 3nos 4148 or 1N4007 is series with it to achieve the required protection. with battery disconnected set out put voltage at the wire connecting to battery with VR1 to 13.8 volts. (To achieve this your transformer should be rated for 12volts or higher)
Hello sir, thanks for the reply. As I wrote above, I’ve changed the circuit for 12V battery. In this case I think I have to set the pot VR1 for output of 13.5 Volts.
I need the protection part, to keep the battery safe.
These days I was thinking to do another experiment. to use a smaller voltage zener diode connected in series with a bipolar diode, like 11.5 volts (made of two zeners connected in series). Do you think that this may help on the higher tolerance zener diodes?
Thank you in advance!
Hi Dojo disconnect BC148 and set the pot VR1 till you get 7 volts at the battery end without battery connected. now connect the BC148 if the voltage falls down zener is of higher tolerance, if you feel you cannot get a better close tolerance zener delete bc148 portion fully, as this is only an additional protection towards over voltage. if you feel all these adjustments are difficult kindly use our simple emergency lamp circuit
http://www.circuitstoday.com/automatic-led-emergency-light#simple
anyone? any idea why this circuit doesn’t work? It’s like the transistor bc548 acts like a resistor connected in parralel with the VR1. How can be fixed?
Thanks
Dear Sir, I have the same problem as Rizky has. I’ve adapted this circuit for 12V/7Ah battery and used a 12V Zener for ZD1 and a 5K potentiometer. The problem is that the output voltage to battery is maximum 12.2 Volts, and it is variable only from 1.1 to 12.2 Volts. If I disconnect the zener diode, the battery voltage increases and can be set to around 13.5V (and up to more than 20Volts. I am using a 24Volt/4Amp transformer). What do I do wrong?
Thank you!
Thanks Seetharaman.
Hi Assem it is available in the net in various sites. this site is with all explanations and improvements for the help of hobbyists.
Who designed this circuit ?.
Hi Chetan connect all bases and emitters together keep collectors seperately, connect to individual load line (LED groups of ten or twelve).
Sir, how to connect BD 140 transistor, in series or in parallel.
Thank you Sir for your reply.
I’ve been using 9-volt transformer. but indeed in my town is very difficult to obtain components with a precise value. not only the transformer, but all the available components have a large tolerance value.
maybe I need trial and error until this circuit can work.
Thanks a lot Sir.
Hi Rizky i hope you are using a 9 volt transformer with the rated current capacity, if so no problem should be there. i think you are using a 6volt transformer instead of 9. The input voltage to LM317 will be 12.6 volt the drop across LM317 is 3volt hence you should get 9.6volt. temporarily disconnect ZD1 and battery measure the voltage output to battery with the pot you must be in a position to adjust 7 volt. now just connect the zener diode D1 and check the output voltage (still battery disconnected) if the voltage falls down your 6.2 volt zener is higher tolerance type actual voltage across it may be less than 6 volt. you
anyone can help me how to adjust the voltage?
6.9-7volt at pin out lm317 or in terminal to connect to battery?
during adjustment, the 6.9-7 volt achieved with a zener diode connected or disconnected (temporary) from circuit?
thank you…
Hi Chetan you have to use 4 nos BD140, you can use upto 48 LEDs. for 40 you drive 10LEDs with each BD140
Sir, what changes I have to make for 40 leds.
Dear Sir,
in other post you suggest to temporary disconnect zener and measure the voltage. i follow your suggest then i measured the voltage. at pin out lm317 raise to 8.41 volt, at cathode D5 7.82 volt, at end terminal (open circuit) 7.79 – 7.80 volt.
then i check the zener diode and it is indeed true 6.2 volt zener diode. the installation was correct, the anode is connected to the output leg of R2 (1.2k) and the cathode is connected to the output leg of R16 (4.7/5w).
thank you Sir.
Dear Sir,
i am new in electro. i confused how to adjust voltage. where i must check 6,9 volt – 7 volt? at pin out lm317 or at end of terminal (to battery)?
if you mean 6,9 – 7 volt at end terminal (open circuit without battery), would not that would open the zener diode and send bias to t1 then causes the voltage breakdown (t1 thought that the battery is full)?
thank you Sir.
Dear Sir,
I assembled your circuit, but i have problem. with 10k pot in highest resistance, the voltage after R16 (4.7 ohm/5watt) only 6.21 – 6.26 volt.
and then i checked other point, output from rectifier diode (D1-D4) 9.5 volts, voltage after c1 and at pin in lm317 9.5volt. voltage at pin out lm317 drop into 6.8 volt, voltage after D5 (Chatode) drop into 6.3 volt, ad then voltage after R16 drop into 6.21 – 6.26 volt.
what wrong with my circuit? thank you for Your help Sir.
Rizky
Dear Sir,
i assembled the circuit, but the voltage output for connect to Battery only 6.26 volt.
i use 10k pot vr. the voltage out from D1-D4 9.5 volt, after C1 still 9.5 volt. at lm317 pin out the voltage 6.8 volt. and then after D5 voltage drop to 6.3 volt. after R16 (4.7 ohm/5watt) voltage drop to 6.26.
i try to charge the battery but the voltage of battery only up to 6.41 volt and not raise again.
what wrong with my circuit Sir? thank you for your help Sir.
for36 LEDs of 3volt 25mA you require 3nos BD140 LED drivers with each stage driving 12 LEDS. you require 900mA current say 1amp for 12 hrs use you require a 6 volt 12AH battery. the charger should be capable of 3amps same above circuit with ICLM338 instead of LM317.
Dear Sir,I want to use 36 LED’s working for 12 hours, then what capacity of battery i needed? What kind of changes required in circuit?
sir, in the first time i run my project it was running normal but yesterday my project got into trouble. how can i fix it? this time even if the lamp is in a source, it still light. what should i do to fix it sir?
Hi Rana why do you want to waste energy, anyway you have to use 5 ohms 2watt or 5 watt.
Hi Pradeep refer to my other simple emergency light project.
Hi Vaibhav SCR cannot be used.
can 1 SCR handle the operation of both t1 & t3
sir,i assembled the circuit and it works very fine. during the day time also if the supply is off, light is switched on. in order to stop this i suggest to connect an ldr. but where to connect it?and another thing is that what is the maximum number of leds can be used in the circuit?
my dear sir i have 6 volt acid battery and 24 LED in parallel circuit how much resistance value i use in circuit thanks
Hi Richards you are correct it is EBC. If you are using 4.5AH battery and say your load is 50mA each chain 12chains 600mA. Hence the battery should last for 4500mAH / 600mA roughly 7hrs. To Find out the current use 2nos LEDs inseries apply 6volts DC to it check the current drawn.
http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/MicroElectronics/mXvusvr.pdf
Hi Shruti I dont understand your requirement.
sir, can we modify the above circuit by using atleast 4 transistors.. i need to know it within 2 days .. please help me out…and please mail me the circuit
hey pete maybe you could help me with my questions
Thank you sir for the help. My project was successful, although i made some few changes it still works. I will share to you my few changes later. Now i have to work for the documentation of my project.
Thanks a lot for you’re help.
i need to show in my paper how to calculate the time that the battery can supply the power for continuous illumination.. i used the 6V 4.5Ah batt. what’s the formula ? thanks
im using 8550 transistor instead of BD140.. the pins are E B C right?
Seetharaman please answer me
how do i know if the leds im using is rated for 25mA or 50mA??
the indicator still glows even if the battery is not connected. what to do?
how do i use the multimeter to check the charging voltage of potentiometer?
how long does it take to recharge 6v battery?
what’s the max. area achieved by the light?
how long can the battery supply the power for the emergency light?? if you could provide some calculations, please give me .
thank you.
no more fireworks for today
im so glad. i connected the wiper to the indicator. the circuit’s already ok. when connected to mains, the battery is charging. when unplugged, the LEDs glow..however, i still have the problems about the LEDs. 
guess i’ll be workin on it when im not busy again . thanks man
where do i connect the wiper of potentiometer? im redoing the whole circuit again. i realized my mistakes lol
Hi Richard The circuit is correct. Each loop is rated for 6 volt as the LEDs are rated for 3.0 volt at 25mA the excess 3.0 volt is dropped, by 0.6volt at BD140 and balance 2.4 volt is dropped across 100ohms series resistance.
the leds are connected in parallel, and the resistors are in series. is this correct?? thanks.
Hi the pcb shown is for the fully modified mode including low and high cut off. it is not exactly for the simple version, for simple version also it can be used by introducing suitable links.
dear sir,
thank u for earlier reply.. sir , is it possible to assemble modified version of your circuit on simple emergency PCB ? if you have PCB layout for the Modified versions of the circuit ..plz provide to me.. realy i need it.. plz make areply.. waiting for your reply.. joshnair@yahoo.com
Hi Pete it is for limiting maximum charging current. you can use 5 ohms 7 watts. you can use two 10 ohms 3watt in parallel.
sir,i can’t find exact 4.7 ohms for the r16. r16 is for what sir?
Hi Josh the PCB is available for the fully modified version in Simple version of this LED PCB and Supply PCB
http://www.circuitstoday.com/automatic-led-emergency-light#simple
Hi Aseem ZD1, T1 and R2 required to cut off charging of battery once its terminal voltage reaches 6,9 to 7volts.
Dear Mr. Seetharaman
I need some more detailed information about the function and operation of ZD1, T1 and R2. I appreciate if you send me any documentation you might have to my Email address:
assemshawkat@hotmail.com
Thanks/Regards
dear sir,
i have assembled the ciruit in a general purpose pcb.. its working ..nice..realy ur circuit is usefull..sir, will you plz mail the pcb and its layouts if you have designed it.. i really need it.. hope that u will help me.
thanking you in advance for your kind consideration
joshnair@yahoo.com
Hi Richard to isolate the problem without connecting to mains, link collector and emitter of BD140 if the LEDs are glowing normally, indicates problem around BD140. If the glow is still bad check the battery voltage and the resistance. may be you have to check the LEDs individually. Try the first step you will succeed the collector base emitter pin outs are different for BD140 from the traditional pin outs. watch.
ohhh it’s already workin but the LEDs dont emit uniform lights, and only 6 LEDs are workin..
are the LEDs connected in parallel and the resistors in series? or i have to connect it the other way?
Hi Richard if you donot want it say during day time when you are away you may not need it hence the switch is shown,
Hi Pete you can use 8550 most recent transistor for BD140 for BC148 you can use 2N2221 or 2N2222.
Mr. Seetharaman,i can’t find BD140 and BC548 what can i substitute for this components?
Mr. Seetharaman,i can’t find BD140 and BC548 what is the substitute for this components?
do i have to put the on&off switch?? it’s supposed to be automatic right?
Thank you Mr.Seetharaman
Hi Aseem you require 2.5 mp power pack. ou have to change the transformer to 9volt 3amp capacity. change all 1N4007 rectifiers to 1N5404. change LM317 to LM338 with proper heat sink. other components need not be changed.
Hello Mr. Seetharaman
If I will use a 6V 10Ah battery, what components need to be changed in the circuit?.
Thanks/Regards.
Assem Shawkat.
Juan, 230V 50Hz is the AC power supply you get from a socket on your switch boards in your house. please take a two pin plug, cut it at one end you have two wires now, connect these two wires to your transformer primary.
thanks
Seetharaman or anybody out there, i just wonder what do you call that part of “230V 50Hz” ?? i mean what shall i tell the seller if im gonna buy that part? i already have all the parts excet this one .thanks
@pete, 1/2 watt
another thing sir, the resistors is it 1 watt or half?
can’t find 6 volt 2-3 watts, only 220 volt 3 watts, is it ok?
Mr. Seetharaman
If I will use a 6V 10Ah battery, what components need to be changed in the circuit?.
Thanks/Regards.
Assem Shawkat.
HiJuan no need to change anyother component.
Hi Pete the PCB is available in
http://www.circuitstoday.com/automatic-led-emergency-light#simple
LM317 has no replacement. if you can get LM7808 fixed 8 volt regulator you can try the above simple proven circuit.
AM i gonna change the materials if i use 5k pot? i’m excited to do this one since we always experience loss of electricity here in philippines.
sir, what is the other substitute for the LM317? i can’t find one here.
Sir, can you also please send me the layout of the pcb?
If you could, please email me here. caballarpet@yahoo.com
tnx sir.
Thanks a lot sir, it really helps.
Yes Pete delete R3 to R14. use one number 6volt 2 to 3 watt bulb.
i mean, or neglect the r3-r14?
Sir, if i use 6volt 2 to 3 watts bulb in place of LEDs, do i still need to add r3-r14? on neglect it?
AM i gonna change the materials if i use 5k pot? i’m excited to do this one since we always experience loss of electricity here in philippines.
thanks so much!!
Hi Maegan that is charge indicator. once the charge is complete the LED will go off. With LED with 2.2K you cannot get open circuit voltage of 6.9 to 7.2 volts (without connecting the battery) hence you have to increase to 4.7K In place of BD140 you can use the recent 8550 PNP planar epitaxial transistor. You can use 5mm high bright white LEDs . Hope this will help.
(a)in the modified version (not the voltage cut-off protection), the pot to be used is 4.7K or 2.2K??
(b)and also what could be an alternative for BD140?? i can’t find one..
(c)can i use 5mm white LEDs instead of 10mm??
(d)what is the purpose of the LED near the IC and 1K resistor??
please answer briefly.. i want to do this for our project..
thank you! God bless you! im sorry if i have too many questions..
(a)in the modified version (not the voltage cut-off protection), the pot to be used is 4.7K or 2.2K?? (b)and also what could be an alternative for BD140?? i can’t find one..
(c)can i use 5mm white LEDs instead of 10mm?? (d)what is the purpose of the LED near the IC and 1K resistor??
please answer briefly.. i want to do this for our project..
thank you! God bless you! im sorry if i have too many questions.
Yes Pete you can use 6volt 2 to 3 watts bulb in place of LEDs, BD140 can handle load up to this value. The PCB drawing is available for the modified version itself.
http://www.circuitstoday.com/automatic-led-emergency-light#simple
Hi Maegan it is for rectifying AC voltage to DC voltade.
sir, can i use a light bulb instead of LED?
sir, i can’t picture the view of the circuit board, can you please attach some pictures of it? thank you sir.
Hi may i know what’s the purpose of D1-D4??
Hi Rej it can be done on breadboard.
please answer seetharaman
can this be done in breadboard? i’m really a newbie in doing circuits.
You have to change the transformer with 15 volts 2 amps rating. replace LM317 with 337. replace the voltage set pot to 10k so that the output voltage can raise to 15.2 volts DC on ouput open circuit,
sir i want to replace 6v 4.5ah battery to 12v 7ah please tell me what or d changes required
Sir,
It helps a lot. Thank you sir.
Hi Pete you can use even a single LED (3.2Volt @ 150 to 300mA) if that illumination is sufficient. The full calculation and explanation is available in the project itself. I have divided the circuit into two parts and given full explanation
1. LED lamp circuit
2. The Battery charger circuit
hope this is sufficient.
sir,
our group decided to choose this circuit for our project. i want to know if i deduct a resistor or a led in the LED lamp circuit, will it affect the turning on and of the circuit?
i also want to know the full details about this project. if you are willing to help, please email me the whole details.
thank you!
Hi Treena what do you want to convey on this project?
i’ve had shin splints and once i got brooks they went away. Also i hear that the new rezig’s are helpful with shin splints.
sir,
In my circuit without battery mains on condition all 12led’s glow.If mains off led’s also off.this circuit is correct or wrong? if wrong send me the changes or solution. awaiting yuor reply
sir,
pls send me the operation of this circuit.mail Id:ss_baboo@yahoo.co.in
hello sir
i will try 20k pot also but the volt didnot raise 6.6v across the battry terminal(w/o battery). which place the volt measures? battery connected terminal(w/o battery) or LM317 output terminal 2? pls reply me
Thank yoy sir.
Thank You seetharaman.
Hi Assem adjust the pot on output of 317 on open circuit (battery not connected)it should be around 6.9 to 7 volt. which is the correct requirement.
Hi Syed increase the pot value to 10K and connect 11k or 12 in Parallel with it, this will take care. With mains LEDs will not glow only when supply fails it will glow from battery supply. 12 volt transformer can be used but you have to use a big heat sink for LM317 to keep it cool. The above circuit is automatic once power fails the LEDs will come on automatically.
Hi Seetharaman.
This is my second notice to my question.
I found that the max. voltage I can reach at the output terminal of the LM317 is 7 volts. is this normal??
Regards
Assem
sir,
If main supply 230v failed,led-12nos on automatically. So pls tell me circuit modification.pls mail me my mail ID.
Hello Sir,
battery volt didnot raise 6.9v. i will adjust 4.7k, but volt adjusted maximum is 6.6v o
nly.pls tell me solution of this problem
sir, i have only 12v transformer and without battery. how can i test the circuit, if without battery circuit work or not (LED glow or not).Pls reply me
Hi Seetharaman.
This is a notice for my previous question.
Please Notice that I did build the lower part of the circuit, the battery charger only. I left the LEDs and the T2 control transistor for a later stage.
Thanks for your help
Assem
Hi Seetharaman.
Thank you for this circuit. After building the circuit and at no load (battery or LEDs) to what voltage should we adjust the output terminal of the LM317 using VR1?
Thanks/Regards.
Assem
i’m doing my engineering in mechanical…….. i’m doing one project….. in that i need a circuit to detect the oxygen level… which should be cost effictive. please sent that
Hi Sankar this circuit is suited for LAG cells. not for nicad cells, as the requirement is constant current of 1/10 rating. you have to modify this circuit totally. you may have to look for our future projects on nicad rechargeable emergency lights. LAG batteries are cheaper, hence they are preferred for the projects than nicads, which are quite expensive.
January 10, 2011 at 5:40 am
Can the latest circuit of yours be used for 5 nos. 1.2 volts 2000 mAs. (in series this works out to 6 volts) Ni. Cadmium batteries. Can I give parellel connection (2 sets of the cells) so that the ampere is high?
Please respond to this mail that I posted on Jan. 10th. My email id is: yesemve@yahoo.com or yesemve@gmail.com
Hi Murali use just 4 LEDs instead of 12. Reduce R3 to R6 to 22 ohms.
dear sir
iam having 8mm 0.5watt 100ma leds can i use in this circuit or any change is requir and how many leds should i connect.
please reply me sir
Hi Srinivas PCBs are available in the other project use them.
http://www.circuitstoday.com/automatic-led-emergency-light#simple
For every 12 LEDs add one BD140 or the recent 8550.
Dear Seetharaman,
Please send the PCB lay out of above circuit to my email id dsrini73@yahoo.com.
Secondly, I want to connect 40 LEDs to this circuit, please suggest suitable transistor.
Next, wanted to incorporate low battery indicator and please suggest where to connect the LED and resistor value.
Dear Mr. Seetharaman,
From your reply i hope that you are in Chennai. If you don’t have any objection, please give me your address.I wish to meet you personally, for some of my projects. You can send it to my e-mail id: yesemve@gmail.com / yesemve@yahoo.com.
Thank you,
Sankar.
thank you boss for your kind reply. But ples help me with that automatic night light also.. Thanx to mr.Harry also
Hi Jhantu the same circuit will do no need for any change. Hi Aswin you can use SS8550. which is freely available.
http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/MicroElectronics/mXvusvr.pdf
ASWIN, in which country you live ? Website’s like digikey, mouser and farnell have options to search based on parameters.
hi
i would like to assemble this circuit., but for my unluck BD140 is not avail for me. ,i tried for 2N2905 also,but no hope. So ples help me, smbdy tell me sme transistors that can be replaced in place of BD140.ples help me. I also added a comment in the topic ”automatic night light with timer”, i will be greatfull to you if u help me.. Plezzz…..
Thank you
Sir,
If I use 6Volt 5.5Ah Battery charging circuit are same??
How many watt use for resistors??
Please go to simple emergency lamp circuit that is the artwork of the PCB used for these projects.
http://www.circuitstoday.com/automatic-led-emergency-light#simple
Sir,
Please send me the art work for PCB layout for Automatic LED Emergency Light-Modified Version.
Thanks in advance,
SA ( goodguyid@mailcity.com )
sir and other guys ,those of you who have completed this circuit, pls send me a diagram showing the naming of terminals of the bd140 and bc548 transistors…
here is my mail:
abhi.dav@gmail.com
Hallo,
Seetharaman, hope you are fine.
First of all i would like to appriciate you for the work that you have done and for the support that you are providing to the readers individually. This is really really a good and a positive activity.
I build this circuit about a month back. There are no issues. Worked so fine, I’m just willing to share my experience with other readers.
Guys, I Could not get a transformer with 0-9v output at 500mA but got at 800mA, which is Working fine. No issues at all.
Please be careful in identifying the pin connections of the bd140 and bc548. This is critical for the correct working of the circuit.
I used an on/off slide switch in series with battery that i found was added by the author in modified version. A good addition in deed. I used a RED LED to indicate the charging the battry. Any value is suitable but it should be 2.7k Min. 6.8k Max.
The beauty and the simplicity of this circuit is really somthing to admire.
Thanks alot seetharaman.
May you be happy always.
Hi My PCB art work is available in http://www.circuitstoday.com/automatic-led-emergency-light
Hi Robin for your requirement my above link with MOSFET IRF540 switching will be suitable.
Hi Chrystopher You can use emitter resistance/pot to take care of brightness.
Hi Seetharaman
I want to dim the LED’s for interest sake. How do i connect a Pot in the circuit. DO i have to connect it to the base of transistor? Maybe a 1k pot could be used?
Hello Seetharaman please send me the art work for PCB layout for Automatic LED Emergency Light-Modified Version.
Rizwan ( ali_ahmed_rizwan@yahoo.com )
Hi! Sir,
please send me the PCB layout art work for Automatic LED Emergency Light-Modified Version.
Regards.
Rizwan.
ali_ahmed_rizwan@yahoo.com
Hi Seetaraman,
i want to make this project, but with 80 pc leds and 6v, 5.5Ah sealed lead acid battery.
And can i replace BD140 to a higher rating transistor for increasing the no of leds.
so tell me the modification can i do or you can mail me with modification details with ckt dgm.
E-MAIL ID:- sougata.kundu51@gmail.com
Dear Sir,
Please help me for selecting an appropriate battery in SIZE….6volt 4.5Ah is used in our old emergency kight naa? With me a 36 LED platform, but the casing is small…. please tell me the SMALL SIZE battery with this value or please tell me if there is any choice of two 3 volt battery combination with current value….
Hi Roshan check the zener disconnect and try as i have indicated in my previous reply. now check both the circuits-LED glow circuit and charger circuit separately as indicated in the article. With mains if LEDs are glowing reduce R15 to 390 ohms.
When i re soldered some connections, this is what happens:- i changed
it to 10k potentiometer…but,still the charging voltage is below 6v…All
the LEDS in the LED section glows when charging. When I disconnect the
main supply, the leds in the LED section glows, but, it is very dim.
when i connected the charging leads to the battery, and then connect
it to the indicator LED, the indicator glows, and the LED section
turns off. Otherwise, the leds in the LED section glows(which shows
error).
Why is this?
Kindly check up your Zener diode ZD1. disconnect the diode one end and try adjusting the pot for 7.0volt now connect ZD1 if the voltage falls ZD1 is not rated for 5.1volt. measure the voltage across ZD1 if it is less replace with the correct one. You contact Mr. Ravi 9841394518 for your requirement of PCBs and LEDs.
Where can I buy, the pcb of the modified emergency lights using led?
Hello sir,
i changed it to 10k potentiometer…but,still the charging voltage is below 6v…All the LEDS in the LED section glows when charging. when i connected the charging leads to the battery, and then connect it to the indicator LED, the indicator glows, and the LED section turns off.
Why is this?
Thank you Seetharaman…But, even if the charging voltage is low, the led should have to glow theorethically. but, it is not glowing.
similarly, the battery, when connected directly to the leds, they glow, but, in the circuit, it is not glowing. why
Hi roshan i have already replied for both the comments.
Thanks for the reply… Seetharama, plz check my previous 2 comments..
increase it to 10k
I tried to increase the charging voltage by turning the pot, but, the maximum it increases is 4.69 volts…..an i forgot to mention, the preset pot i am using is 4K7
Hi Roshan LA batteries require constant voltage for charging . for cycle use 6.9 volt is the limit recommended by battery manufacturers. hence without connecting battery you have to set the pot for 7volt if not getting increased change the pot to 10K. The LED will glow while charging, once battery is fully charged it will extinguish.
Hello Seetharaman,as in your comment dated june 17,2010,related to a query about adjusting the pot, you said that we have to adjust the charging voltage to 6.9-7 volt. Is it that, only a charging voltage of 6.9v can charge the battery. The voltage at the wires that is to be connected to my battery is less than 4 volt. Do I need to increase this? Do i have to turn the pot to increase this voltage. I have a preset potentiometer. Please reply.
Hello Seetharaman…I have dropped the work in making the basic automatic emergency light circuit, and have started the modifies automatic emergency light with under voltage cutoff protection.
It is seen that there is a small led connected to the 4.7K preset variable resistor. What is the use of it? Does it glow when connected to the mains?
After assembling the entire circuit, nothing happens. Neither the LED section glows, nor the small led near the variable resistor glow.
How to know whether the circuit is working properly?
Hi Crystopher This transformer is best suited you can use. 0.5 watt is ok, use 5% tolerance zener diodes., pcb details are available in my new emergency light project use it.
Hi Crystopher This transformer is best suited you can use. 0.5 watt is ok, use 5% tolerance zener diodes., pcb detaols are available in my new emergency light project use it.
I found a transformer thats 230vac-9vac and 670mA, is it fine or do I have to make changes?
Can you send me the pcb design of the modified version of the circuit to my email. My email is roshanvallappillil@gmail.com
please reply here, when you send me the email
Thanks
Hi Admin, could I use 0.5W resistors for the above circuit? And the zener used should be atleast 5% tolerance or less?
Which is prefered?
@ Roshan
I used 5mm LEDs. Size doesn’t matter but you have to consider the current/ voltage ratings.
What LEDs should I use, i.e, whether I should use 5 mm or 10mm leds?
Hi Christopher kindly send ma an email i will send the pcb design
seetharaman
Hi again sir,could you also send a PCB layout of the final modified circuit via email thanks
Hi there sir,could you please add some calculations on how i obtain the correct size heatsink as i really want to use this for my project at school and if you could reply soonest it would be much appreciated
Hi CW one BD140 can drive 12 LEDs of 25mA each. You add more BD140 in parallel and connect 12 LEDs for each BD140. Since the battery used is 4.5AH, for 5 hrs use you can use 3 BD140s and 36LEDs.
How many LED max can be added for this modified circuit?
Rgds
Dear Sir,
I have mailed you my address on “seethasub@hotmail.com” please send me the art work of the Automatic LED Emergency Light-Modified Version.
Many thanks.
Bhavesh.
Yes it is ready if you can mail me i will reply with art work if you want ready made PCB it is also available in chennai. please inform your requirement.
Hi! Seetharaman,
How are you sir, can you please tell me if the PCB layout for this Automatic LED Emergency Light-Modified Version is ready, if yes then where can I see it.
Regards.
Bhavesh.
Hi Figo your suggestion 1 is fine saving component and reliable but it will not take care of deep discharge circuit with T3. T3 circuit can be improved similar to our voltage sensitive relay by including a potentiometer so the required cut off voltage can be set (due to spread in voltage of zener diode – tolerance of the diode)
http://www.circuitstoday.com/three-phase-auto-changer-circuit
Hi Hotshot it is a good idea, there is an efficient version is under design in that we will try to incorporate your suggestion.
In fact the emergency lighting should has an opto sensor circuit add in as power failure during day time with the emergency light turning on is just a waste. Battery will not last till night falls. Hope this can take into consideration. Thank you.
Im glad seen so many reader send their comments on this circuit to make the circuit has been more perfects, but I still has some comments:
1. Regarding the Transformer:
The linear transformer is not good to to provide the stable voltage, when the input voltage drop to 180Vac in some conditions, then the tansformer output voltage will be reduced too, that will cause the LED light up @ 180VAC input.
Suggestion:
A: Connect base of T2 directly to output of LM317.
B: Delete R17 AND r15, change discharger circuit, see below.
2. For over discharger protection circuit:
In current discharge protection circuit, the battery will not stop even the T3 is turns off, becoz the base of T2 alway stay at about -1.4V when AC input is cutoff.
Suggestion:
1. use a voltage comparator IC such as LM358 to do voltage detection on battery for overdischarge protection.
or who can provide a simply circuit to us will be better.
Dear SHEETHARAMAN. Designed the lighting for your new circuit with a device from a deep discharge battery. Unfortunately just a device I have does not work. The rest of the scheme is quite rabotosposobna.Skazhite please, if you have solid evidence of efficiency is the device from a deep level in this scheme? Have you ever been repeated єtu scheme. I’m interested in is protecting against deep discharge batteries. If you can, marking the transistor BC548 from right to left on the conclusions. (In the datasheet information about labeling this transistor is different) Thanks.
hi sir.
presently am using 12volts 7ah battery for my system UPS, i want to change that to 12volts 40ah. will the ups work properly or is der any problem by doing such changes…
please help me out………
thanks……
sorry, I mean 12v 60Ah
Hi! Seetharaman,
Thank you for sharing!!
I want to make this project, but with 100 led and 12v 7Ah lead acid battery, could you please mail me the circuit
Thanks & Regards
John
dear sir, can u pls mail me about the first circuit on THIS page/link. i have to write a report on this circuit. sir if you cud please help me write the abstract it would be greatly appreciated. i dont know what is hapenning in this circuit.sir pls tell me how exactly this circuit works. can i use a 300mA step down transformer instead of a 500mA one? also is BC140 transistor equivalent to BD 140? sir do pls mail me your reply.thank you
please tell me about how to test the battery AH.
Hi Seetharaman, I have 12 v lead acid Battery and I would like to setup led light circuit.Kindly publish the circuit which can use 12 V battery as power source.
Can the latest circuit of yours be used for 5 nos. 1.2 volts 2000 mAs. (in series this works out to 6 volts) Ni. Cadmium batteries. Can I give parellel connection (2 sets of the cells) so that the ampere is high?
Hi! Sir,
How are you, can you please tell me if the PCB layout is ready for Automatic LED Emergency Light-Modified Version, if yes then where can I see it.
Regards.
Bhavesh.
Sir,
How can i modify this circuit by connecting a batterry level indicator?.Please repley.
Hi Amdani T1 will take care of that function automatically when the terminal voltage falls below the set voltage.
Hi! Seetharaman,
Thank you for sharing!!
Is this circuit can begin charging automatically when battery is weak?
Thanks & Regards
amdani
Hi Mint you are correct, it is not that it cannot be charged during day time. normally during 10pm to 6am wthese are not used hence it is normally said that it can be charged over night.
Thanks for the circuit. You mentioned that the battery can be fully charged at night, then someone would use the light in the daytime? Rather it should charge in the day and and show light in the night. Anyway sometimes we also need light even in the day. Thanks again.
Hi! Seetharaman,
How are you Sir, can you please tell me if the PCB layout is ready for Automatic LED Emergency Light-Modified Version, if yes then where can I see it.
Regards.
Bhavesh.
i want to know the full description of circuit operation of the above circuit
Hi Adnan your charger capacity is 5amps. your battery is 50AH(not only amps but also the current for how many hours). your charging current is 5amps hence it will take 10 hours to charge the battery. capacity of battery / charging current (50 / 5)
Suppose if we have a battery charger which is giving 12v @ 5A and a car battery of 50A?
what time will the battery take for full charge?plz tell me the calculation also??
Suppose if we have a battery charger which is giving 12v @ 5A and a car battery of 50A?
what time will the battery take for full charge?
Hi Bhavesh this pot should be adjusted in such a way that the battery charging current is limitted to 1/10 of the battery capacity. in this case 450mA. If you cannot achieve it, reduce R16 to 2.2 ohms and adjust the pot for 450mA charging current (when the battery terminal voltage is around 6.0 volts). This will charge the battery over night to its rated capacity.
Dear Mr. Seetharaman,
Thank you very much for your previous reply, Please tell me if the VR1 setting is kept for full, max voltage, will the charging stop at 6.9 & start charging at 5.2 volt of the battery??? As I am keeping the VR1 on full for faster charging, as my circuit is charging only at about 250~300mA. with a transformer of 9V 500mA. Regards. Bhavesh.
sir please explain these lines:
5. Ic is 1.25 / 180 = 7mA
6. Ibe = Ic / hfe of T1 i.e = 7 / 70 = 100uA
7. Drop across R2 =1.2 X .1 mA = 0.12volt
why ic is 1.25(volt)/180(ohm)???
Hi Sindhu kindly tell me which is the costiest part in your place i will suggest alternate.
Sir!!
Can any other alternative components can be replaced to reduce the cost of the circuit???PLzz sujjest me sir………
hi if we use 3volts using a resistor from 6v 4.5ah battery then will it gives 9amperes @ 3v?
Hi Bhavesh If you have a constant current source with a burden of say 30 volts you can use it. if not use a 30volt power pack use a 4.7 to 5.6 K resistance in series and feed it to zener diode. if you are getting say 0.7 volt across the diode you have reverse the leads. The drop across the diode is the voltage of the zener diode. choose the correcrf value zener and use it.
Hi! Seetharaman, can you please tell me in details, how to give 5mA curent to check the zener??? Thank you for your earlier reply. Best Regards.
Hi Murali you have to check the pot value increase it to 10K and try the voltage if it is not increasing to 10 volt your IC 317 is faulty or wrongly wired.
reduce 560 ohms to 330 ohms or so it should solve your problem.(it can be any value between 220 to 330 ohms.
hi sir d open circuit voltage at positive lead to battery is 5.7volts and R 15 i used 560 ohms
if we use 3v using a resistor from 6v 4.5ah battery then will it gives 9amperes @ 3v?
Hi Gururaj please wait i will make a prototype test and comback to you soon.
Hi SeethaRaman,
Can you please publish this circuit with a 12V 7AH battery. I tried the same with modification suggested by you earlier. But it is not working as expected. BD140 is not turning off LED’s when mains supply is available.
Regards,
Gururaj
Hi Murali what is the open circuit voltage at positive lead to battery with pot VR1 is at maximum resistance value. what is the resistance value you are using for R15.
Hi Adnan you can use the same circuit add 1no BD140 parallel to existing BD140. connect base to gether, connect collector together use 0.47 ohms with each transistor emitter and then connect it to battery positive through light on / off switch.
i have a pcb of an old emergency light having 60 leds coonected in parrallel what transistor will i use to make automatic switching system like above light????
sir iam not able to increase d battery voltsmore than 5.6 volts
when power resume d led is not switching off it glows dim pls send me reply
regards
Hi Sindhu I am enclosing my earlier reply to Mr. Kumar on
June 10, 2010 at 9:09 am
Hi Kumar the PCB is getting ready will all improvements. once it is ready, will inform.
For enclosure you can use any one of the old 2 tube enclosure with single 6volt 4AH battery. The appoximate cost with High Bright white 12 LEDs, new battery PCB will be around (you can use the transformer available in the old light) INR 500 to 600
Hi Sir!!
Can U tell me D approximate cost of this circuit ??????
sir iam not able to increase d battery volts more than 5.6 volts.
2. when power resumes it is not switching off d led glows dim
Hi Bhavesh check zener diodes ZD1 & ZD2 for their correct voltage by feeding 5mA constant current through them. If they are different from the indicated value their tolerance are quite high try to use 5% or better. It has to stop charging at 6.9 volt plus minus tolerance of the diode. similarly switch off glowing LEDs at 5.7 volts.
Hi! Seetharaman, I have assembled this circuit on a bread board, but it does not disconnect the battery at 5.1 Volts, also it does stop charging at 6.9 volts. Please sir tell me what I have to check, or change. Regards. Bhavesh.
Hi,
I tried this circuit with 30 LED’s and it is working fine.
Can we also have a full charge indicator (LED) in this circuit.
Also, I am looking for a 12v lead acid automatic battery charger.It will be great if you can help me with your expertise.
Thanks
Rajesh
Hi Ifan you see mains operated LED it is 230 volt 25LEDs
“Mains Operated LED Circuit”. It is tested and proven circuit.
sir, please send me the schematic for 24 led.
i want only 220 V AC to 24 led.
thanks and regards
ifan angelo
Thankyou sir
Hi Ravi the pot is required to set the max current for a flat battery.
try by reducing R15 to any value between 220 and 330 ohms it should solve your problem.
Hi Boo the pot is required to set the max charging current for a flat battery.(approx 1.2amps)
Hi Adnan you can rectify fix limitting resistance or surge protective device and use it.
LEDs can work only on DC. If you use AC you have to take care of reverse voltage protection during negative half cycle.
will this leds works on A.C volts?
can i drive 80leds in series with 220volts?
Thanqq for U’r reply sir !!!
Sir the led section working very well but when power resumes the ckt not switching off and glowing dim,please suggest solution for me
Sir in this ckt can give a fixed resistor value to the adjust pin lm317
Hi Sindhu you use the normally closed contact of the remote control relay to suplly power to the emergency light once the supply is disconnected, the LEDs will come on automatically once the remote connects the power LEDs will go off and start charging the battery.
The PCB is getting ready with alternate like 12volt 36LEds or 24 LEDs 6 volt 12 LEDs it will be ready soon i will send the lay out and the template soon
hi mounica it requires lots of modification it is now available in my new pcb please wait.
dear seetharaman
how can i use this circuit for 12v 7Ah battery
Hi! seetharaman,
Can you give me the PCB layout of this circuit for 6V & 12V battery charging, with your new modified circuit. I will be very much thankful for the same. I tried it out on the bread board but could not get the required mA, I am getting only 45 to 50 mA, with 9V, 500 mA transformer. Rest all my circuit is working ok, my email add bslpei@dataone.in
Regards.
Thanqq for U’r answer sir !! But know i am in a conffusion that where i have to attach this receiver ckt in this emergency light .Can U help me sir???
Hi Sindhu you can use the ultrasonic remote control appeared in these columns for your remote operation of LED lights
the article appeared as “Ulhttp://www.circuitstoday.com/ultrasonic-switchtrasonic switch”
Sir !
Can i operate a remote controll for operating these LED’s.I did found any remote controll for operating LED’s in any website .Can U plz help me in doing this ???????plzz reply me….and also for my mail……
Sir,
I sended U a mail to seethasub@hotmail.com please reply for that sir….
Hi! seetharaman,
Can you give me the PCB layout of this circuit for 6V & 12V battery charging, with your new modified circuit. I will be very much thankful for the same. I tried it out on the bread board but could not get the required mA, I am getting only 45 to 50 mA, with 9V, 500 mA transformer. Rest all my circuit is working ok.
Regards.
Sir Seetharaman,
wat purpose of VR1 4.7K on the circuit.should it be always set at max?
thanks in advance.
Hi SeethaRaman,
Can you please publish this circuit with a 12V 7AH battery. I tried the same with modification suggested by you earlier. But it is not working as expected. BD140 is not turning off LED’s when mains supply is available.
Regards,
Gururaj
Hi Adnan it will become 12Volt 4.5 amp battery. batteries inseries will add up voltage. batteries in parellel will get their current added.
if connect two 6v 4.5amp batteries in series will it becomes the 12v 9amp battery or the 12v 4.5amp?
make one that will run on 12v and with car battery, please,
4f5tac,tacloban, philippines.
Hi Adnan you are correct it will become 6volt @ 9 amps battery.
if i use two 6volts @4.5amp batteries in parallel will it become a 6v @ 9amp battery?
Thanqq for U’r kindly reply sir !!!!
Hi Sindhu add one more BD140. that is connect both the bases together similarly connect both emitters together and to the collector of added BD 140′s connect the next 12 LEDs as per existing circuit. my email is seethasub@hotmail.com
Hi seetharaman once read 100-watt-sub-woofer-amplifier comments please.
And also can i use 9V battery ?????
Sir,
U said that the base and emitter terminals of BD140 should be shorted.R they can B shorted by connecting them to the existing switch in the above ckt???Is the 1st LED of next set can B connected(in ||el)to D 12th LED in the previous set??Sir can U give me U’r ID so that i can mail U the expected ckt 4 D 24 LED’s (OR) U only mail me the ckt 4 24LED’s.Plzzz sir reply me……
Hi Sindhu add one more BD140 connect base and emitter torether. in its collector connect 12 LEDs as per existing circuit. now you can have 24 leds. fix heat sink for LM317 and BD 140s they should have electrical isolation to heat sink with insulated mounting kits.
Sir,
Here U used 12 LED’s if i want to use another set of 12LED’s i.e total 24LED’s .Then 4 than what modification should i have to do in the circuit????Where should i have to connect the heat sink for the circuit modified by U(As shown above)????PLzz reply me sir….
what is the mcd of the 10mm led used in this model? what angle is needed to get good lighting? where can i ge 50mA 10mm buton leds?
Hi Magnet the bias for the BD140 transistor is given through this transistor and zener, if voltage falls below the set level the zener will not conduct hence no bias for BD140 hence the LEDs will go off.
Dear deepak you have to use one more BD140, emitter connected to existing BD140 and base to existing BD140 and collector to one more set of 12 LEDs. with 24 LEDs of 25mAs consumption each a total of 600mA is required a fully charged 4.5 AH battery will give illumination for 4.5 / 0.6 = 7 hours appoximately.
Hi Patrick Vaz you have to use a good heat sink for regulator IC LM317 as it has to dissipate around 3 watts.
Hi Admin,
I Have a 0-12V transormer 500ma and the battery is 6v 4ah will any modification be required in the circuit, Pls respond.
Hi Admin,
I Have a 0-12V transormer 500ma and the battery is 6v 4ah will any modification be required in the circuit, pls reply.
Hi,
I Have a 0-12V transormer 500ma and the battery is 6v 4ah will any modification be required in the circuit, pls reply.
Hi,
this is nice job doing every on ,it is now very important requirement in Karnataka ,
Sir,
Very nice circuit.Does the “under voltage cut-off protection section” really switches-off LEDs???!!!!
Sir,i want to make this circuit with 24 led’s. please tell me what modifications are required for making this? tell me all changed resistors values. and also tell that,with lead acdid battery of 6v 4.5AH,how many hours it will give light? plz reply soon.
Please mention that is there any kind of current limiting /current regulation also present in this circuit
other than the limiting resistors R3 to R14. ?
is there any role of T2 or T3 in likiting LEDs current?
thanks
Dear Gentlemen,
A different topic didnt know where to address.
I have couple of 500G hardisk, over the years, have collected movies,i want to play them directly to a TV or LCD, any circuit ideas, which can convert and play movies, directly on LCD,
Thanks in advance
sir,
please tell watts of all resistors,
sir is any resistor and driving transistor should be added? what about the cost of these leds?
Hi Pradeep you can use 4LEDs in series in each loop. so 3 loops are sufficient. if you use high bright white button LEDs of 3volt 50mA current, 3 loops 150mA hence your batterywill give power to LEDs for minimum 20hrs.
the charging circuit has to be modified fully. please refer to lion battery manufacturers recommondation.
is reflector is needed for the leds? what type of reflectors can be used ? where can i get it?
hai sir,
thank you for your valuable info in this site . in the above circuit if i use 14.4 v,3.5Ah lithium ion battery what are all things i have to change in the above circuit? how many leds can it drive for long time?
Hi Pradeep with 12nos 25mA LEDs it will work for min 12hrs non stop.
how many hours it will work when it is fully charged
sir, please send me the 12v 3 or 5amp regulated power supply circuit for audio system if you have any.
thanks and regards
santhosh
Hi Adnan you cannot compare a battery with an amplifier both are of different charecterestics. both the principles are different.
if i give the more current to an amplifier it will draw only the required current but why the battery don’t do that???why the battery not draw only the required charging current?????????
Hi Biman the circuit can be modified add a resistance of required value (r= 0.65 / currnt in amps – please donot exceed 1amp with this IC) between emitter of T1 and battery negative. disconnect R2 from ZD1 and connect it to battery negative. with this modification it will become a constant current charger.
If the supply current is high amplifiers and others devices consumes there required current but why the battery doesn’t do this if the current is high
Hi seetharaman, Thanks
My problem is solved.
But the battery cherger circuit here is a constant volt
cgerger, I want a constant current cherger for the same
please.
If the supply current is high amplifiers and others devices consumes there required current but why the battery doesn’t do this if the current is high????
if the supply current is high amplifiers and others devices consumes there required current but why the battery doesn’t do this if the currewnt is high????
ZD2 is giving bias to bd140 through T3. if the battery voltage is low BD140 will not get the bias and the leds will not glow
but whats the relation of zener diode with bd140 ??
Hi Adnan for 4volt battery the cutoff voltage at full charge is 4.6 volts hence you require a 3.9 volts zener. and bd 140 to cut off the voltage is 3.5 volt hence the zener should be 2.7 volts.
if you are using anyother circuit kindly send me that i will suggest you.
no i have a fixed charger not the above one and i have a light having 4 volts battery and i want to add a switching system in that with 5v charger light not the above one
Hi Adnan BD140 is for switching on th LEDs. if you want to cut off the LEDs at say 4.2 volt then use a 3.3 volt zener for ZD2
can i charge a 4.2volts 0.7Ah battery with 5volts 0.3A chager??
can i cutoff the bd140 with 5v??
Hi Adnan use 4.2 volts Zener for ZD1
i want to cutoff the transistor with 5v what transistor will i use to cutoff at 5v????
Hi Biman try by reducing R15 to 270 to 330 ohms. this should sole your problem
Hi Seetharaman,
I have made the circuit but not working.
then I understand that biasing of BD140 is missing from the Battery. please Suggest me the Biasing.
As per your circuit it is lighting when AC Power is ON.
Hi Ankit if you use 12 leds of 25mA total current will be 300mA A ‘D’ size cell with 500mA hr rating will give illumination for an hour and half. (90mts)
hello sir,suppose 4(1.5v *4=6v)non rechargeable battery is connected with 12led(25ma),then according to calculation for how much continuous hour will it switch on the led? thanx
Hi Arun connct an electronic bleeper between battery positive and collector of Q1 through a 1N4007 diode(cathode toward positive of the battery), once the battery is fully charged Q1 will be turned on in turn the bleeper also will be on
Hi..It would be helpful if you post a modified circuit for knowing the full charge of battery..
Hi Xplod the battery charger circuit requires to be changed to constant current charger instead of constant voltage charger(suitable for lead acid battery only). the lighting circuit does not require any modification
Hello sir, can i use the circuit with 6V/7Ah NiCd battery since its shown 6V 4,5Ah on the circuit? If not what modifications should be done?
Hi Gururaj You can use 12 volt zener with one 1N4001 in series it will be 12+0.65 + 12.65 volts.
1.8 K is correct.
Hello Sir,
Thanks for your reply. Please clarify few doubts.
The Battery’s fully charged voltage is 13.5. So Can I use 13V zener with R2=1K? Calculation will be,
Ib = Ic/hfe = 0.1
Let R2 = 1K
Vdrop accros R = 0.1V
Voltage across the chain ZD1, R2 and T1 be should be 13.5
ZD1 = 13.5-(0.7+0.1) = 12.7 or 13 (Only 13V zener is available in market).
Also, according to calculation I had changed the baising resistor of BD140 to 1.8K instead of 560E. Is that ok or BD140 will never turn off?
Regards,
Gururaj
Hi Gururaj
R2 has to be 1K only it is there to protect the transistor hence reduce it to 1K.
With 12 volt zener and 1K resistance charging will cut of at
12.8 volt itself.
Similarly LED cut off voltage will 10.8 volt with 10Volt Zener and R18 1K.
Kindly check your R16 calculation
After the above modification give a feedback.
Hello Sir,
I have modified the circuit to work with 12V, 7AH or 12V, 40AH car battery. But the circuit is not working as expected.
The problem I am facing is that :
1) The BD140 is not switching off even when the battery voltage drops to 11.8V.
2) The charging is not stopping even at when battery voltage reaches 13.5V.
Following are my modifications. Please verify the same and let me know what is my mistake.
Fully Charged Bat 13.5
Bat Drain Voltage 11.8
Supply Voltage from transformer : 24V
After Capacitor : 24*1.414 = 33.9V
After drop across 317,D5 and R16 : 33.9-3.7 = 30.2
1/10 of rated charging for
7Ah = 0.7
40Ah = 4.0
R16 value for 7AH = (30.2-11.8)/0.7 = 13E @ 5W
R16 value for 40AH = (30.2-11.8)/4 = 27E @ 5W
BD140
———– mA/Ω A/KΩ
Bais Voltage 0.77
Ic = 300mA 300(for 12 LED of 25mA each)
hef at 500mA 50
Ib = Ic/hfe 6 0.006
Bais Resistance (Ω) 2121 2.121
Bais Res, Bat Drain (Ω) 1838 1.8 (Currently Used)
T1 : BC148
————
Bais Voltage 0.7
Ic = 1.25V / 180E 7
hef of BC 148 70
Ib = Ic/hfe 0.1
Let R2 be 10K
Vdrop accros R = R*Ib 1V
Voltage across the chain ZD1, R2 and T1 be should be 13.5
i.e : 0.7 + Z + Rdrop = 13.5
ZD1 = 13.5 – (0.7+1)
ZD1 = 11.8V or (12V)
Similarly
ZD2 = 10V
R18 = 10K
Regards,
Gururaj
Dear Mouly
It is called SPST switch (single pole single throw switch)
In fact you can use any domestic electrical on / off switch.
Very useful circuit Sir.What is that ON/OFF switch name in the market .Does it have any specification.Is that manual switch or automatic.Please reply me
Hi Satu if you use a narrow beam LEDs you will have problem. I have used high bright white LEDs of 25mA rating. They are giving goor illumination similar to 7 watt emergency lamp, ofcourse not all around only 180 deg around 90deg brighter illumination. if you have narrow beam leds give an ofset between LEDs say around 15deg. This will help you to spread the light.
Hello Sir, the second plan is a theoretically complete power cut off emergency led lighting. But led lights are light ray! While you tested it, did the led light spread throughout the room?
Hi Kumar You dont require BD140. It is only required when you want LEDs to come on automatically during power failure. If you want it as an LED torch light/ lantern you can connect (if it is white hi bright) white LED through a resistance to battery. say the LED is rated for 50mA. then 6.9 – 3.2 / 0.05 is the resistance value. you can use 68 ohms in series with each LED. Any number of LEDs with 68 ohms in series with each LED can be connected in parellel. 12 is sufficient if you want an illumaination similar to 11 watts U type energy saver lamp, you use 24 LEDs.
hello sir, thanx 4 ur response.due to unavailable of some components in the market, i want to divide the whole ckt into 2 parts i.e charging and led ckt.for charging i want to use a ckt of an old emergency lamp which charges 6v/4.5ah lead acid battery.and 4 the led ckt i want to use ur above mentioned ckt.i mean after charging i will disconnect battery from the ckt.it wont b automatic.so what changes i have to made in led ckt.?where the base of bd 140 will b connected.?is it possible to make such separate led ckt with or without using bd 140?
Hi Kumar you can use 3 sets of 12LEDs with BD140 each with three switches.
Normally LED will go open circuit hence no problem, it will not affect.
For LM317 a cooling clip is a must, even it is 12 LEDs.
hello sir, …1)suppose i connect 3 sets of 12 led with bd140 each.and 3 switches for the 3 set of leds,so as i can switch on any or all of them.is it possible? if 1 led blows then will it affect the others??
2) whether heatsink will be required for lm 317??
Hi Sanju without connecting battery measure the charging voltage and set it for 6.9 to 7 volt. After this adjustment connect the battery.
Dear Sir;
What is the procedure to adjust the pot.Kindly let me the same.Regards;/Sanjeev
Hi Aji 2200uF can be used. Kindly assemble as per the above values indicated in the modified circuit.
hi guys,,i tried to make this circuit.But there are many problems with my circuit.I have got 2200uF capacitor instead of 1000uF.Resistor with 16ohm resistance is not available to me…Is there any problems with these.Whether this problems affect my circuit
Please reply..
hiii seetharaman, thanx 4 the reply..plz let me know whenever pcb with improvement is ready.i really need it..thanx.
Dear Mr.Seetharaman,
I had gone through this.Thanks a lot. We want one Emergency Light manufacturing unit. Now small way. Can you pls help us giving the Kits/Boards.. We want LED Emergency Light or CFL Emergency Light to be run by Rechargable Sealed battery of 4.5 AmP or more or less which can give a three hours backup.. Pls mail my Email id..Waiting for your reply,Best.
Hi Adnan For 12 LEDs one BD140
how can i use two bd14o how aill i connect them i want to increase 38 more leds
so how much bd140 i will use?
Hi Adnan the reply i have given on this on May 16th
May 16, 2010 at 12:47 amHi Faraz Khan You can use 3 circuits of 12 leds driven by its own BD140. That is connect all the three BD140 emitters together. base through 680 ohms from each BD140 base to -ve rail. 12 Leds as above to each BD140 collector. this will enable all the three BD140 to share the current equally.
but you say use two bd140 how will i connect the two bd14o
yes i already using the big heat sink when the 36 led is lighting the bd140 is get hot
Hi Kumar the PCB is getting ready will all improvements. once it is ready, will inform.
For enclosure you can use any one of the old 2 tube enclosure with single 6volt 4AH battery. The appoximate cost with High Bright white 12 LEDs, new battery PCB will be around (you can use the transformer available in the old light) INR 500 to 600
Hi Adnan 36 X 25mA 900mA a lot of current you require a very good heat sink for cooling BD140. I want the current to be distributed such that a small cooling clip will do.
but sir my light is working on 36 leds on one bd140?
what is the drawback of one bd140 on 36 leds?
Hi Yofan yes you have to change the transformer also to 15volts secondary.
Hi Prasanth you have to use 2 more BD140 circuits so that you can light upto 36 LEDs. Say each LED consumes 25mA then you require 900mA, Battery will last for 4hrs before requireing to recharge
Dear Seetharaman,
Is it possible to connect 30 LED’s to the above circuit?
Hi Sir,
it’s possible modified your charger from 6 volt batt to 12 volt batt with only replace the zener diode ?
and also it’s fully automatic batt charger right ?
thanks for advise
hello SEETHARAMAN,thanx a lot 4 the modified ckt..i want to work on the above ckt..so to mount the above ckt, whether general pcb r availaible in the mkt or else what i have to do??hope u undrstand..question is regarding pcb.and what will be the approx cost for making this ckt in rs..thanx..
Hi Sankar with a small modification, change of transformer and 3 LEDs in series we can have a circuit with improved efficiency. I will try to send one soon.
At times of rainy season, current available time is less. So I want a modified circuit diagram of 12 volts. With less number of LEDs i can use the charger for a long time.
Thanks a lot for this diagram. Can the same circuit be modified for a 12 volt battery circuit with different charging levels?
thanks
Hi Adnan I will mail you soon
plz give me the quick charger circuit for this light or tell me how to increase the current for quick charging?
or mail me the circuit i shall be very thankful to you
ok then upload a charger circiut plz
Hi Adnan you have to make a different charger circuit of the required capacity. Existing design is not meant for it.
i have 4.5amp battery and the 30% of 4.5 is 1.35amp tell me that or modify the circuit that the existing power supply will give approx 1.2 or 1.3 amp?thanks
Sorry..i thought that 548 is pnp…
hi..all..i hope the transistor shown is BC547 instead of BC548…
Hiu Adnan you can fast charge the Lead acid gel cells with 30% of the rated current, say in 3 1/2 hours you can charge fully. Ensure the battery is not getting heated up warming up is normal.
i want to charge the battery quickly tell me what will i do because it takes a long period for charhing so how i can charge the battery quickly?
Hi Adnan Normally these small trasformers will have no load current of 8 to 10mA @ 230 Volt. So 2.3 watts of energy is always consumed even without load. These trasformers normally has a loss of around 15% at rated load. 9 X 0.5A that is 4.5 watts as the efficiency is 85% the primary requirement will be 4.5 / 0.85 = 5.3 watts. 5.3 + 2.3 = 7.6 watts will be the primary power requirement. All these calculations depends on the quality of the transformer. price is proportional to quality.
how much power is consumed by the 9v 500mA transformer tell me the formula that i will able to calculate the watts consumed by transformer so i will calculate the electric bill?and also tell me the electric bill calculating formula Thanks
Hi Adnan this was my earlier rely to one of our constructor
May 15, 2010 at 8:51 am
Hi Faraz Khan use an electronic sounder (phezo electric) in parallel with diode D5, +ve of the sounder to cathode and -ve to anode of D5. When the battery is getting charged the sounder supply is reversed (you get around -0.7volt). once the battery is fully charged T1 switches on the battery will supply sounder around 4 volt for it to sound. If dont want negative voltage of 0.7 across the sounder add a diode inseries with the sounder to block negative voltage.
i hav e succesfully use this circuit but i want a modification when the battery is full charged an led indicator will glow so we can get n switch the power off so upload a circuit diagram with this modification i shall be very thankful
Hi Prasanth, mail you mail ID to seethasub@hotmail.com i will send you the modified circuit with your requirement. i have already posted the modification required to ADMN, “circuitstoday”
Hi seetharaman,Thanks for the reply.Can you please elaborate & send us the modified schematic.
Hi Prasanth you can use a BC148 with a 5.1 volt zener similar to charge limitting circuit and its collector to be connected to the 560 ohms available at base of BD140 instead or returning it to common negative. When the battery terminal voltage falls below 5.7 volts the LEDs will be switched off.
Hi Adnan As per the battery manufacturer’s recomondation maximum charge current cannot exceed 1.2 amps. and charging voltage canot be more that 6.9 volt for cycle use. Hence a 6.9 volt regulator with maximum current limit set at 1.2amp is a must. If these precautions are not taken, the life of the battery will get dramaticaly reduced. For cycle use over night charging(8 to 10 hr charge cycle) is strongly recommended. Each LED drawing 20 to 25mA 36 LEDs will consume 0.9 Amp Hr. The recommended batery can give an useful glow of 3 to 4 hrs per charge. If you want more duration you may have increase battery AH capacity and the charging circuit accordingly.
hi I’ve successfully made this circuit with 36 leds and my light is working and it give 6hour(not continuous)
but if i use 24 volts(12-12) transformer instead of 9volts can i replace the transformer and if i do this will the battery charged quickly?
hello sir.how can i implement the under voltage cutoff for the
LED Emergency Light Circuit,since battery get drained.
Hi Tutul you can try 5volt instrument cooling fans, which are avilable for low price or you can get one from a old defective power pack. ( used for PC power supply cooling).
it’s nice. but it’s need’s a LVD circuit.
Hi Digaonto you can use a standard 6volt DC fan with 9″ blade Connect -ve to battery negative and +ve through a switch to battery positive. These fans work normally for 3 hours with fully charged battery. The fan consumes around 1.25 amps.
For operation during power as well emergency use, increase transformer rating to 2amps all rectifiers to 3amps ( eg. 1N5404) use the standard current increasing technique for LM317 with a PNP power transistor like 2N2955 and a resistance of 6.8 ohms. with this your fan can operate always. during emergency will operate for 3 hours.
Hello Seetharaman,
There is no doubt that it is really an excellent & efficient circuit for those countries like us where Load-shading is daily routine . I also want to add a motor to make fan in this circuit . Which volt’s motor will I use ? Will I use 6V or 9V motor ? And the motor will run also while the battery is charging too .
So, From where and how will I connect the motor line . The motor will run in both time- while the battery is charging & in emergency(from battery) time . – Thanks
Hi Michael if PMPO is your requirement as per your link then you can construct 60 watt RMS amplifier, in bridged configuration it will give you 240watts RMS. As per your link’s Sony’s specification it will be 5200 watts PMPO. You can use Sub woofer amplifier appeared earlier in ‘Circuits Today’ with modification and covert it to a full range amplifier, bridge and use it.
You require 4 amplifiers to make a stereo system with the similar power supply with the current rating increased suitably.
Dear Sir,i need the circuit diagram of a 5000W audio power amplifier using STK… IC families and another one using transistors.
Hi Saad A fully charged battery can work in this circuit for 12 hours minimum for continuous illumination. 5.6volt is the end point voltage for lead acid gel cells. Hence you have to recharge the battery at this point. This is only a general guide line for a new battery. As the battery ages the characteristic will change.
The LEDs will not glow during charging since R15 gives positive voltage to base of T2 it will cut off the current flow during charging. Once the power goes off the positive voltage goes and T2 gets forward biased and starts conduction to illuminate the LEDs. If there is still very illumination from the LED R15 can be reduced to 100 ohms. This problem I faced with amber LEDs.
Dear Sir,
It is very nice to view lot of electronic circuit which are useful to many students to learn the technology.
It is to request you to send Synchro to Digital conversion circuit at the earliest.
Thanks
Kamesh
hello sir.how can i calculate the remaining time of the battery?will the circuit glow while batery is charging?
Hi a small correction is left out, the potentiometer to be changed to 4.7K or add 1K in series with the existing pot 2.2K. With 2.2K you will achieve only a maximum of 5 volt.